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When I first started this service, I wrote to just over five hundred agents in Yorkshire and neighbouring counties, offering an insight into how I could help them and their clients achieve a smoother, and less expensive, sale.  I also pointed out to them that the savings to their clients would, in the vast majority of cases, more than pay for the cost of my services.  

In addition to the above, I also canvassed approximately the same number of mortgage brokers, providing them with similar information. 

To date, I haven’t received a single response from either an estate agent or a mortgage broker - not one.  And this experience is shared with other independent remedial surveyors, in other parts of the country. Given the damage that unscrupulous and/or uninformed damp-proofing contractors can inflict on unwary buyers and sellers this lack of interest from people at the sharpest end of the industry is indefensible. 

When a house is being surveyed on behalf of the buyer or their mortgage company and it is flagged as having either ‘high moisture meter readings’ or ‘indications of timber infestation’ the valuing surveyor almost invariably asks for further ‘specialist’ reports. 

Not all, but certainly most buyers, especially those doing this sort of thing for the first time are unsure what to do for the best when they learn of this requirement, and it often comes as a surprise; consequently, most people approach either the estate agent or the mortgage broker for help. Very often of course the agent is wearing two hats and acts as the mortgage broker too.

 

 

Now, it should be in the interests of all parties to establish exactly the extent of any potential problems the valuer uncovers, and the agent or broker is probably in the best position to take the lead in this; after all, that’s what they’re there for and it’s what they do it all the time. 

 

Most people would readily understand that what is needed in such circumstances is an unbiased, objective assessment of the property’s needs, (if indeed it has any) so that they are diagnosed correctly. If this is not done then either the vendor or the purchaser could be paying out large sums of money unnecessarily. Worse still, the sale could be placed in jeopardy and eventually fall through.  

Unfortunately, and for reasons that can only be imagined, most estate agents and brokers do not do this. Instead they choose to have these assessments carried out by someone who is not only unencumbered by any recognised qualifications or related experience, but who also has a vested interest in unearthing non-existent, expensive problems; and even though there is unlikely to be anything seriously wrong, this ‘Muppet with a Moisture Meter’ will doubtless find something to justify his existence and enhance his bank balance. 

If I were trying to be generous I could say that perhaps a lot of agents and brokers are simply unaware that independent surveys exist.  However my experience dictates this is not the case, and anyway, my colleagues and myself have spent many hours, writing many letters, so as to make them aware of their alternatives. 

 

 Very often, brokers and agents simply have cosy relationships with remedial treatments contractors, and once such relationships are established, they tend to be mutually productive. Also of course, the Muppet will often provide a ‘free’ survey, and although this can be very appealing, the damage it is likely to cause to their client’s welfare is beyond any doubt. 

 

I fully understand that at the time of a sale or purchase spare money is like hen’s teeth, and persuading buyers to pay for another survey when they’ve just spent a considerable amount on a Homebuyer or similar report can be a difficult hurdle for the agent to overcome. However, not to even attempt to do so could be construed as a dereliction of their duty, especially to their primary client, the buyer.  Although it may initially appear attractive, and have the added benefit of demonstrating what a ‘good egg’ the much-maligned agent really is (by putting the buyer in contact with someone who will provide a ‘free’ survey), the long term prospects of all concerned are jeopardised - Muppet excepted of course. 

 

Just think about that for a moment.  A contractor, who makes a living from installing damp-proofing systems, has been asked to give an opinion on whether a building - your [intended] home or, if you’re the vendor, your nest egg - needs a damp-proofing system.  What’s he going to say?  Well, no prizes for that one I’m afraid. He’s going to say, “Yes, of course it does; and here’s how much it’ll cost…” 

 

But because the clients don’t know any better, and the agent/broker is aware that the deeper the buyer gets into the transaction, the more difficult it is for them to withdraw, the eventual ‘crunch’ is delayed until the Muppet comes back with his ‘report’.  And it is only then that both buyer and seller realise a further tranche of cash may be needed to progress the sale. Who eventually coughs up is determined by the market conditions.  Sometimes the buyer has to pay; sometimes the seller is the unlucky one. If an objective survey had been carried out In the first place, in the vast majority of cases, neither of them would be troubled; and if any work is actually required, at least it will be genuinely so.

 

And all this because the estate agent, who, remember, is supposed to be looking after the interests of his/her client, chose to instruct a completely biased contractor to carry out a ‘free’ survey.  Simply because they didn’t have the courage to tell the buyer that something worth having, i.e. an objective survey, is worth paying for. To spread any pain, they could easily explain the situation to the vendors and see if they’ll chip in to help pay for the survey fee. 

 

Don’t let this happen to you. As a buyer or seller, you have an absolute right to commission your own survey in response to a valuation or Homebuyer report.  It may cost you an initial fee but it will almost certainly be less than the consequences of a damp contractor’s visit. An independent surveyor is far more interested in saving the cost of unnecessary work than removing extraneous cash from the transaction. 

 

So, when your agent or broker offers to arrange a follow up ‘survey’, saying something along the lines of: “…we always use these chaps, they’re very good…” just say ‘No thanks’ and contact an independent. If you can’t find one locally, contact me and I’ll try and help. 

 

The impetus for this article occurred during a survey I recently carried out on a house in Northern England, which made me wonder, for the umpteenth time, what one needs to do to convince estate agents that relying on ‘free’ surveys to examine potential problems is not only a complete waste of time, it is also a major injustice to their clients.  I have very little faith that estate agents will be persuaded to change their ways but you, as the client, really can have an influence, and you should be aware of the kind of scenario that regularly plays out… 

 

The house, in Northumberland, had been the subject of an offer and was subsequently surveyed on behalf of the buyer. The cost of this survey – I think it was a ‘Homebuyer’ report - was nigh on five hundred pounds and it indicated, somewhat vaguely, that ‘high moisture meter readings were noted etc…’ and that further ‘specialist’ reports were required.  The buyers duly contacted the selling agents for help. 

 

The agent should then have contacted the vendors to discuss the situation and take their instructions, but she didn’t.  This may have been because the vendor was out of the country, although they were easy to contact by email etc, or it could have been that she was simply exercising her own initiative.  Whatever, she said nothing to them but instead contacted the local branch of a [national] remedial treatments company.  

Now that in itself could be construed as a bit naughty, as the vendors knew nothing about any of this, and as it eventually turned out, it was catastrophic for the sale. 

This national company ‘surveyed’ the property and – surprise, surprise - opined it needed a new damp proofing course; that it had had one just a few years before is another twist to the tale, but one I shall not dwell on here.  The estimate for this work was for several thousand pounds and, to cut a long story short, the vendor, who didn’t trust the remedial company, wouldn’t pay. As the buyer couldn’t pay, and a compromise couldn’t be reached, the sale eventually fell through. 

 

The reason for the vendors’ distrust of the remedial company and their findings was based on their awareness of the way these people go about their business.  I had acted for these clients previously, just a couple of years before when they were purchasing another property, and at that time my findings had saved them several thousand pounds they would otherwise have spent on unnecessary damp-proofing and timber treatment works. Funnily enough, the same estate agents were involved with that transaction too, so in this case they were certainly aware of the availability of independent surveyors. 

 

Anyway, once it was obvious the sale would fall through the vendor asked me to prepare an independent damp and timber report so that any problems that might arise from a future Homebuyer survey etc, could be forestalled. 

 

This I did; and suffice it to say that except for minor problems of penetrating dampness around one of the door frames there were no other significant issues with the house: the cost of repairs will probably be less than two hundred pounds.  In short, the mis-diagnosis had cost the vendor his sale and the buyer their hopes of buying what was probably their dream home. 

 

After the survey, while I was returning the key to the agent, I asked her why she had contacted the remedial company even though she was aware that independent surveyors (and in particular, yours truly) stride the land and visit places far more remote than Northumberland.  Without so much as batting an eye she said, “Because they do a free survey; and anyway, we use them all the time; they’re very good.”

 

The words ‘very’ and ‘good’ were emphasised with what seemed to me a misplaced degree of hushed reverence.

 

“But my dear, it cost you the sale …” seemed an inappropriate response in the face of such blissful certainty. 

 

If any estate agents are reading this, please be aware: you will save more sales, and have happier clients, by biting the bullet and getting the buyer to pay for follow-up reports. 

Free Surveys are seldom that.  What’s worth having is worth paying for.  But you probably knew that already …

Last Updated ( Saturday, 17 July 2010 )
 
Dry Rot and its potential costs

This is a cautionary tale.  The client was trying to sell his house and, quite openly, honestly and correctly had mentioned a long-ago problem of dry rot, which he believed he had cured.  As it had occurred four years ago and he hadn' seen any indications that it was still present, he wasn't too concerned.

However, the surveyor who carried out the Homebuyer report didn't want to take that for granted and he advised the prospective purchaser to have an 'independent' survey carried out.  The potential buyers asked a remedial treatments company to have a look.

This company, without any justification whatever, stated that the rot was still active and the cost of repairing it would run to several thousand pounds.  To cut a long story short, the sale fell through.  Rather than go through it all again with the next purchaser the client asked me to carry out a 'real' independent survey, which found nothing significantly wrong.

Ah well, one company's greed meant the loss of the sale for my client, who then had to put the house back onto a falling market.

Press the blue link above to read the survey report.

 

 

Last Updated ( Monday, 04 January 2010 )
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It wants to get out, not in...

Upon the discovery of dampness, virtually anywhere in the property, most people automatically assume that it’s the result of a failure in some aspect of the external coverings; either that or a fault with the plumbing, which of course it sometimes is. 

They suspect the walls, the roofs, the gutters, the bath or the central heating system etc.  What they never consider is that sometimes – most times actually – the offending dampness results from moisture produced inside the house, which is struggling to get out.

This survey arose because the house was suffering from damp patches on the chimneybreast, and the client, who was a most helpful and experienced civil engineer, automatically assumed the problem was being caused by a fault with either the flashings, flaunching or pointing on the chimneystack.  This was the case even though he had had all of these items inspected and ‘repaired’ on previous occasions.

So, given that he’d had trusted builder/roofers attend to the problem beforehand, I’m not quite sure what he expected me to discover, especially as I had no intentions of going onto his frosty roof. However, what I did discover came as a complete surprise to him.  It was something he’d never even considered….

Damp stain on chimneybreast

Last Updated ( Monday, 04 January 2010 )
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How to ruin a perfectly good house

This delightful house, approximately two hundred years old, was probably coping perfectly well with its environment. Then, approximately thirty years ago, someone decided to intall a new floor.  They did everything as they should do, probably even put a damp proofing membrane beneath the new screed; they certainly installed an asphalt coating over it.

Result, all the moisture in the old floor that had been happliy evaporating, and then disappearing into the wild blue yonder, now had nowhere to go. Except that is for into the base of the walls, where it rose steadily upwards.

To counteract this, an injection dpc was attempted - in 600mm thick, rubble-filled walls.  They may as well have lit Joss sticks to tempt the damp away.  The current condition of the walls is displayed in the photo below.

Now, as it isn't going to be possible to resurrect the original flagged floor, it will be necessary to apply cavity membranes to the base of all of the internal walls.  Not my idea of how old houses should be treated, but it's better than trying to live with permanently damp walls. Moral, dont mix modern practices with old properties - they don't usually work.

     

Rising Damp caused by new floor

   

Just as a matter of interest, this house had been locked up over the summer and it seems to have been a meeting point for the local fly population.  They must have been having some sort of party on the window cills, and this is what happens to them when they've had a little too much to drink!

Flies, flies and more flies...

A strong stomach was required to inspect the window reveals

 

 

 

Last Updated ( Tuesday, 28 October 2008 )
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Another waste of money

A few years ago, this client had converted their basement into a kitchen, which is a situation I often see.  Unfortunately, the original work seemed to be going pear-shaped due to dampness in the form of stains, mould growth and excessive mildew in cupboards etc.  Rather than go back to the original people, the client decided to ask another contractor for some advice, which is rather like asking a donkey if it wants another strawberry.

Said contractor did his survey and pronounced the room 'Damp'.  He didn't explain why it was damp, but did commiserate with them in the knowledge that several thousand pounds worth of work was needed; to cure rising dampness and rotten timbers in the ceiling (how these timbers had rotted when they weren't in contact with any masonry or free water was never quite explained).

He proceeded to rip out the old and install the new; however, the client seems to have become suspicious of all the extra tasks he found necessary - the bill was up around the 7k mark by this time!

Rather than prolong their agony, the clients bearded the chap in his lair, well in their kitchen actually, and the upshot was they had a fall-out.  Not quite nuclear but nevertheless enough for him to storm off in high dudgeon, with the threat that, unless they gave him their very last red corpuscle, his work would no longer be guaranteed (he needs to do a little reading on contract law before he issues statments like that)!

Anyhow, now in a state of despair and utter confusion, the clients asked for an independent. Lo and behold, the most obvious, common and ubiquitous source of moisture in situations such as this - condensation - had never even been mentioned.  Seven unnecessary K later and I have to break the news to them - gently.

At least the contractor was 'Permaguard' approved.  So that's all right then...

Last Updated ( Wednesday, 01 October 2008 )
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A bit of a mystery

We never did get to the bottom of this one.  The floor had obviously been flooded quite badly but there were no obvious source for the water, as you can see from the report below.  Behind the rear wall of the flat was an extensive void, and at first I though that this had maybe flooded due to a drainage problem in the adjacent road.  Eventually though, this became less likely. 

Void behind living room.

A flood from the flat above was also ruled out and condensation was definitely not the cause.  The NHBC, insurance assessors, Uncle Tom Cobbly and all eventually became involved, and of course no one would admit any liability. The client eventually took it on the chin, paid for the repairs and sold the property. 

I learned later that there had been considerable confusion as to the exact time the fault had been reported by the letting agent; and it turned out that the flat may have been empty for some considerable time after the last tenant left before the letting agent visited the house to do an inventory. 

Little Weed (you'll have to be old enough to remember Bill and Ben) told me that the  last tenant had flooded the house, not said anything, and just left.  I think Little Weed may have been right!

 

Last Updated ( Wednesday, 01 October 2008 )
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Structural, or condensation?

The problems in this property were so bad the owner couldn't believe he didn't have severe structural problems.  A look at the way the property was set up and how it was used by the tenants certainly threw doubt on this presumption...
 

Last Updated ( Tuesday, 23 September 2008 )
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Salt Damp

This unusual phenomenon is caused by patches of salt contamination in the plaster.  The salts are hygroscopic and absorb moisture from the atmosphere when the relative humidity is high.  Once the humidity returns to normal levels, the patches disappear.  This makes it difficult to spot unless the conditions are right. 

You can only make so many holes in the wall with your moisture meter before the lady of the house asks you to leave!

Last Updated ( Saturday, 13 September 2008 )
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Damp & Timber Survey

This survey was carried out on a brick terraced property that already had  damp proof courses installed, but the building society surveyor still found damp!

Last Updated ( Monday, 23 June 2008 )
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Damp & Timber Survey 2

A survey in which the chartered surveyor had wrongly diagnosed the condensation and penetrating dampness as 'rising damp' and had unfortunatey missed the dry-rot under the dining room floor 

Last Updated ( Monday, 23 June 2008 )
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Damp survey (running water)

All hands to the pumps with this one. Imagine discovering a waterfall cascading down your wall, four hours before you're due to catch a 'plane! 

Last Updated ( Monday, 23 June 2008 )
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